41 Mag Vs 44 Mag for Deer Hunting Review Forums
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| This question has well-nigh probable been beaten to decease, but my search of the forum was unsuccessful. Tin can someone direct me to a discussion of the relative claim of the .41 magazine vs. the .44 mag for deer hunting? I have compared the ballistics for similar commercial bullets and they appear to be identical out to near 125 yards. Can one of you enlighten me? Thank you for the help! __________________ |
12-05-2012, 09:45 PM 
.41 magnum vs. .44 magnum 
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| I load for the two cartridges. I have not killed any game with them. I have loaded for the .44 Magnum since 1974 and the .41 Magnum since nigh 1990. I accept at least 30, or more, reloading manuals. I take followed many discussions here nigh the subject from those who have used i or the other; or both. It appears that both cartridges, properly loaded with good "deer" bullets will kill equally well. Elmer Keith reported ages agone that he "felt" (or possibly "knew") that the .41 Magnum shot flatter, but the .44 Magnum hit harder. But...and I risk serious nastyiness from fellow members here...I do also believe that Elmer was long on .44 magnum use and very prone to really not utilizing solid testing methods. He would shoot a .41 Magnum and say that he did non have to hold upwardly as much front sight. It may have worked for him, but non very scientific. If there was to be a "downside" to a .41 Magnum it may possible that it is less capable of treatment heavy-than-normal bullets weights whereas some .44 Magnums can shoot heavier bullets. You can besides go to Store Shooting Supplies | Reloading | Gunsmithing | Hunting gear — MidwayUSA and check out the .41 and .44 Magnum bullets offered for reloading. With each bullet is a "comments" section. There should exist a practiced cantankerous department of reports from each bullet on information technology "killing abilities". They probably likewise have the aforementioned for loaded armament they sell. BUT...if you want to deserve the title of "gun nut" you lot will have to own one of each and preferrabely "many" of each............. __________________ |
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| You lot're talking .410 dia. vs. .429. dia. I doubt a deer would be able to tell the difference. I've shot wild hogs with 41 mag. hard cast SWC and it will get thru from side to side or end to finish. Never shot big game with the 44 magazine. The divergence that would count to me is availability of armament. Lots more 44 magnum loads available. If you reload it's not a big issue. My subjective impression was the 41 didn't recoil as sharply and would all the same put down deer or hogs. Caution: My advice is worth every dime you paid for it. Others with more experience may experience differently. |
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| I've killed several deer with a 44 magnum, don't own a 41 magnum |
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| Apples and oranges. I load and shoot both, and have identical guns to compare - a 29 and a 57, both nickel eight 3/8 inch. I've taken hogs with the 57. If you lot choose the ammo carefully, either 1 is more than than capable of filling the need. Personally I prefer shooting the 41, probably because it's "dissimilar". Afterward all, Anybody has a 44, don't they? |
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| .41 mag does shoot a bit flatter,less recoil, more than expensive to shoot manufacturing plant ammo,.44 has a bit more ft. lbs. and wider selection of bullets. |
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| You take a much greater choice of commercial ammunition and reloading components with .44 One thousand. You can also get a carbine (e.1000., Marlin 1894) that shoots the same armament, with ballistics close to 30-30. The .41M was introduced as a choice for law enforcement with virtually .44M performance with manageable recoil. The "nearly" is a giveaway. The .41M isn't even on my long list, just I may change my mind. |
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| If you dont load your ain ammo buy the 44, all kinds of ammo availble everywhere and it makes slightly bigger holes. The deer will never know the deviation. |
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| the 41 mag.is a fine caliber....more medicine than yous will need for deer __________________ |
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| Since I own several .357 magnum and .44 magnum revolvers, I never felt the need for a .41 magnum. The factory .41 magnum ammo seems harder to find and more expensive. I exercise own a Glock G20SF 10mm. With hot Buffalo Bore or Underwood ammo, information technology falls betweent the .357 magnum and .41 magnum in ballistics. You could call it a .40 magnum with 15+1 in a semi-auto pistol. __________________ |
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| I take two .44 guns and a bunch of .41s. It's been a while since either I similar guns that are a scrap different and the .41 just suits me better than the .44. At that place are .41 carbines bachelor on the used market. Marlin made them a couple of times and may make them over again anytime. |
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| I like my .41's because they're a bit unlike. I've even had people who consider themselves gun know-it-alls tell me there's no such thing as a .41 magnum. And now I've got some of that Starline special run of .41 Special marked brass for those who desire to bet there's no such thing as a .41 Special. I've been shooting .41's for over 30yrs and scores of thousands of rounds. Possibly 1000 were factory loads. I buy .41 factory ammo when I observe information technology inexpensive , particularly fractional boxes in bargain bins or at gunshows. Other than that , it'due south my difficult-bandage SWCs. |
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| I exercise not sympathize why there is a 41 Magnum __________________ |
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| I have hunted for years with the Model 29 and I own a Model 57. I chase with the 44 because I got it first and learned to love it. In my opinion either is big enough for whatsoever game or situation 1 might find himself in, in N America anyway, not certain almost Africa! As far equally why a person should take a 41 Mag., considering Smith & Wesson fabricated some! Enough reason for me! |
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| GM4spd, I am typing this from retentiveness and so some of my comments may exist "off" historically. In nigh 1962 or 1953 Elmer Keith, Bill Jordan, and Skeeter Skelton were the main gunwriters who were desiring a .41 caliber revolver for police force work. They wanted a 210 grain bullet in the velocity expanse of 800 fps for "street carry" or city acquit and a 210 grain jacketed bullet at about 1200 to 1300 fps for the "rural use" and highway patrol duties (to shoot into cars). Skeeter actually preferred that S&W but go along to produce the .44 Special simply with a meliorate load than the only 1 bachelor then, a 246 grain lead roundnose at about 750 fps. Elmer was quoted as saying he and Bill Jordan were at a special gathering (NRA annual meeting?) and were badgering the Southward&W executives at that time for the .41 Magnum. When it was introduced in 1964 (?) the "law load" was a 210 grain atomic number 82 bullet at nigh 1,000 fps. It leaded barrels badly and many police officers could not handle the recoil. It did see quite a bit of service in San Francisco and San Antonio law departments and others. But information technology was just too powerful for most officers. It was eventually phased out of about police force work. U.s.a. recreational shooters similar information technology because...its another hazard to own another Southward&W!! Or a Ruger.....! In my case I accept a 4 inch and half-dozen inch M29-two .44 Magnum in blue and a four inch and 6 inch M57 .41 Magnum in nickel. Kind of sorta a matched set of four! It has a minor but dedicated following in the sporting world. __________________ Last edited past semperfi71; 12-06-2012 at 07:54 PM. |
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| Quote: Originally Posted past mr-mom This question has virtually likely been beaten to expiry, but my search of the forum was unsuccessful. Can someone straight me to a discussion of the relative merits of the .41 mag vs. the .44 mag for deer hunting? I have compared the ballistics for like commercial bullets and they appear to be identical out to virtually 125 yards. Can 1 of you enlighten me? Thanks for the aid! Dick Metcalf was/is a large fan of the .41 Magnum and he wrote many articles extolling its virtues. Thus, yous might search the archives of Shooting Times magazine, which is, I retrieve, where he published most of those articles. |
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| I own several S&Due west 29/629s. A hot loaded 357 magazine matches a lite 41 mag. A heavy loaded 41 mag matches a lite 44 mag. Why own a 41 magazine? I take picked up 1,000 plus 44 mags as once fired range contumely over a 14 calendar month time span. I have found three 41 mag casings. Why own a 41 mag? It is an orphan caliber that is very expensive when buying manufacturing plant ammo. Why do you demand a Crescent wrench when you own sets of SAE and metric combination wrenches? __________________ Last edited past Engineer1911; 12-10-2012 at 09:23 PM. |
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| Why? My brother has a .41 magazine Dan Wesson 8" with a scope that will deliver 2" groups at 100 yards off a rest all twenty-four hour period long. 210 grain. Sierra over 21.5 grains of 296. |
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| Fashion back when I shipped to AK, I traded my .357 Mag Blackhawk for a .41 Mag BH. My hunting buddy carried a .44 BH. Shooting and comparing both, I preferred my .41 to the .44. I handloaded Speer jacketed SWCs (using Blue Dot at the time) and during un-scientific testing establish that my .41 put holes thru the aforementioned Birch copse his .44 did, and with less recoil. True, the .44 has more potential--if one reloads to its full potential--but for the boilerplate shooter I experience the accuracy and controlability of the .41 out weighs the .44's benefits. If you actually need more power, then jump to the .454 Casal, the .460, or the .500 magnum. In all practice, a deer or any other medium-sized game isn't going to know the difference in which hitting it. If you're only going to shoot commercial rounds, I'd say become with the .44 only for ammo availability sake. If reloading, I'd opt for the .41. Run a box of hot loads thru both and you'll understand why. |
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| Quote: Originally Posted by Engineer1911 Why practise you need a Crescent wrench when you own sets of SAE and metric combination wrenches? Because then I only need one wrench? |
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| Originally Posted past Engineer1911 "Why do you demand a Crescent wrench when y'all own sets of SAE and metric combination wrenches?" Because a large plenty crescent wrench can too be used as a hammer if you're high plenty off the footing and your hammer is waaaay below on the footing. __________________ |
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| Not that .41mag can't exist loaded hot..... Non that the post-obit is 'gospel'....simply, |
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| Equally others take noted, the deer or grunter volition not exist able to tell the difference. If one handloads it matters piffling... a better bargain sometimes surfaces on a good 41 magum though. If one does not handload, get a 44 magnum. Period. |
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| I love the .41 but you actually need to hand load for information technology. I experience it volition give y'all 95% of what a .44 volition do with far less recoil and cage flash. It is by far my favorite revolver quotient. |
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| Why ask why? Variety is the spice of life. Some telephone call the .41 Magnum a "crimson-headed step-child". Well , I was a step-child! And I love redheads! |
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| Well, bank check the fastened pics and tell me which buck looks deader. The i I took last year with the half-dozen" M29 .44, or 2 weeks ago with the Ruger Blackhawk .41 (4 5/eight"). First one was at ~50 yards, the other most 40. __________________ Last edited by Old Corp; 12-07-2012 at 08:29 PM. |
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| Boy that was an piece of cake question. Simply look at the motion picture of the deer taken |
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| Realistically, you lot are unlikely to detect any operation difference betwixt the 41 & 44 mags on deer sized game. I've had both, and sold off and sworn off the 41 considering it just had cypher to offer me that I wasn't already getting from the 44 mag, and the 41s were built on the same guns as the 44, which made them slightly heavier. So I dumped the 41 mag & 45 Colt, and fabricated the 44 magazine my big bore of choice. Realistically, I should have sworn off the 357 magazine, and used the 41 every bit my middle bore, but once again, the guns are bigger and heavier. The 41 blows the socks off whatever 357 mag ever made, performancewise... |
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| If y'all are in doubt, get both! |
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| Providing yer shot is in the vitals , if whatever critter can tell the diff betwixt being shot with a 210gr .41 magazine @ 1350fps vs a 240gr .44 mag @ 1250fps , ya probably shoulda used a rifle! |
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| In my opionion .41mag hits like a .44mag and has the recoil of a .357mag. I've reloaded and shoot all 3. Never killed anything with .41, two deer with .357 and ix deer with .44. Jerry |
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| This may have been covered already but, ... the 41 magazine is cool. Charlie |
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| Sure the bullet weight and velocity numbers can be juggled around , merely whoever thinks the .41 mag splits the diff betwixt the .357 and .44 needs a remedial math grade. Yes , the .41 is halfway between the .38 and .44 calibers , (38+3=41 , 44-iii=41). BUT , whereas the .41 is a 41 , the .38 isn't a 38(.357) and the .44 isn't a 44(.430). And handloading bated , if ya go to the Remington ammo website and exercise a comparison, you'll discover the .41 mag 210 load really beats their top 240gr .44 mag load. .357 magazine , 158gr , 1235fps , 535ft.lbs Last edited by mkk41; 12-10-2012 at 03:20 PM. |
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| The .357 magnum tops out around 800 ft. lbs. of muzzle energy. __________________ |
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| To everyone who responded, cheers for your ideas, comments and sentiments. It has been interesting, informative and entertaining reading your thoughts. I suspect this exchange could go on for days, months maybe..even years!!?? Might be fun to run into where it could go. Anybody has their favoriotes, often for different or specific reasons, and there is no one size fits all. I've some experience with the .44 special and .44 mags, but non the .41 mag. Have a friend who is pretty adamant nearly the .41 magazine and will debate all day long that information technology shoots flatter and hits every bit hard every bit the .44 magazine inside 75-100 yards (we don't go many chances for shots at deer over 50-lx yards in these here woods). I've come to the decision making point. Guess I'll but need to take i of each, in order to class my own biases! Thanks guys, I really needed another alibi to feed this sickness...... __________________ |
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| Quote: Originally Posted past Neumann You have a much greater selection of commercial ammunition and reloading components with .44 M. Y'all can likewise get a carbine (e.g., Marlin 1894) that shoots the aforementioned ammunition, with ballistics close to 30-30. The .41M was introduced as a choice for police force enforcement with most .44M operation with manageable recoil. The "about" is a giveaway. The .41M isn't even on my long listing, but I may change my mind. I adopt the .44 Magnum because I have a Ruger .44 carbine rifle and tin use them every bit partner guns, Concluding edited by Engine49guy; 12-10-2012 at 07:16 PM. |
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| I'g guessing the responses aren't balanced. Aye, I own both, probably a few more 44s only it doesn't mean I like them better. About 20 years ago nosotros did some breezy testing in flake lumber including railroad ties. The 41 really seems to penetrate farther than the 44. As far as handloading, everyone does both. Y'all've got to own a gold mine to shoot factory ammo to whatever degree of proficiency. If you're downloading the 41, you lot need to color lawmaking the loads. Y'all can seal the primers with different color sealer to ID the low-cal ones. With the 44, y'all just apply special cases for light loads. Almost of us effigy more than metal = more force. Both guns have the aforementioned OD, its just the 41 has smaller holes and more metal. Want to see a deviation with manufactory loads, obtain ane each of the scandium guns, the 329 and 357 (model numbers). The .41 does seem to shoot easier and with less intense pain. I don't know anyone who only owns ane of them. Everyone seems to ain several of either or both. Also, a poster to a higher place quoted factory free energy figures. Don't believe or trust them for a 2d. Purchase yourself a chrono and test your actual loads out of your own revolvers, and so calculate the energy on your very own calculator. You lot'll see the numbers get and then confused and shut together you'll stop arguing energy figures and get dorsum to the truth. It doesn't affair which yous select and those arguing one over the other are just pushing their own preferences. __________________ |
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| Quote: Originally Posted by Engineer1911 I own several Southward&Due west 29/629s. A hot loaded 357 mag matches a lite 41 ,mag. A heavy loaded 41 mag matches a calorie-free 44 mag. Why own a 41 magazine? I accept picked up one,000 plus 44 mags as in one case fired range brass over a fourteen month time span. I have found three 41 mag casings. Why own a 41 mag? It is an orphan caliber that is very expensive when buying factory ammo. Why practice you need a Crescent wrench when you own sets of SAE and metric combination wrenches? Considering you can never accept enough crescent wrenches! |
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| In my several failed deer hunting attempts, the just critter I shot was a chipmunk chattering at me as I walked out of the woods. Chippy was standing at the base of a large oak tree. I found a tail attached to the spinal column (no ribs) and the skinless skull. Enough gun with 255 grain gas checked lead bullet. Three prairie dogs that appeared some what field dressed after coming back downwards to globe. Too much gun. No crescent wrenches were used on whatsoever hunting trips. __________________ |
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| Quote: Originally Posted by rburg As well, a poster above quoted factory energy figures. Don't believe or trust them for a second. Buy yourself a chrono and exam your actual loads out of your own revolvers, so calculate the energy on your very own calculator. Yous'll run into the numbers get and so confused and close together you'll end arguing free energy figures and become back to the truth. It doesn't matter which you select and those arguing one over the other are just pushing their ain preferences. I accept (2) 41's and (1) 44. I generally concur with your annotate regarding ammo manufacturer's claims. However, the 44 mag load quoted at 1650 ft-lbs is either a Buffalo Bore or Grizzly +P. I have experience with Grizzly and their claims are accurate; Buffalo Bore is probably besides. This is not an "ordinary" round by any means and regular use would probably not exist recommended. To elaborate, I contacted Bandage Performance/Grizzly for loading information on their 265 grain LWFNGC in my 41. He gave me some info indicating I could probably load it to 1350 fps; they sell it loaded to 1400 fps. I chrono'd it out of my five-1/2" Redhawk right at 1400 fps. |
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| I have 2 41s and have shot several 44s. The 41s are far more comfortable to shoot. Reloading is best just some reasonable ammo using new brass can exist obtained from ammo to become dot com for under thrity dollars a box. |
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| Just my .02 Get both shoot them.Deer and hogs will not know what hit them.Does wonders on coyotes likewise.. |
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| I like the 44 because you tin can use heavier bullets. Hornady XTP's 300 grain Hollow points is my carry load. I use sixteen grains of 2400 and it is a deadly hunting circular. My shots take been 50 yards or less and this load is a hammer out of my 29 and old model ruger super blackhawk. Recoil is stiff and I only shoot them for Hunting purposes. |
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| I stared off with .44 Magnum in 1973 and ended up selling them all off in fovor of the .41 in the 1980s... The large thing for me was recoil with 4" Ns. Full loads in the .41 were piece of cake to shoot all day...non so with the .44. Equally to which kill better, as long as the velocity is the same, the bullet is the aforementioned in regards to sectional density and structure there is no departure... Posted this over on the 58 thread. There is more than enough factory ammo now available. Go into Walmart and look for .44 Special...1 will rarely find it... Mill ammo: Remington Wincehster Speer Federal CorBon Buffalo Bore Hornady Georgia Arms DoubleTap HSM Barnes Grizzly Bitterroot Valley Cast bullets are available both commercially and moulds from 175 to 305 grains. Jacketed the same. Some are from custom makers. As to cost of ammo. I went through the Midway catalog and comparing apples to apples in that location was little departure betwixt .41 Magnum, .44 Special, .44 Magnum and .45 Colt. People hear stuff, accept as fact and then simply keep repeating it without checking the facts... I but found that I could shoot the .41 more accurately than the aforementioned gun chambered in .44 and recoil was less.... Bob Last edited past SuperMan; 12-15-2012 at 12:49 PM. |
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| I have both and take been loading for both since at least 1976. Have shot several (twenty+) wild hogs (guided on wild hogs for a while in Cali) with both and 1 deer with the 44 mag. Shot 1 hog with the 357 at about five anxiety and it failed to penetrate (needed to impale it with a rifle). Saw several others shot with it also. The only difference I take institute is that, on the gristle neckband or plate on a big hog, the 41 will penetrate better. That is using the same bullet at near the same velocity and weight. Similar results on head shots, especially frontal ones. For what it is worth, the 357 almost always failed to penetrate. All three were using heavy-for-quotient loads with heavy constructed bullets. The 44 HP failed several times to penetrate the skull or gristle. On a deer, I don't expect there would be much difference. BTW, never could tell the deviation in recoil between the 41 and 44. |
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| Quote: Originally Posted by Engineer1911 In my several failed deer hunting attempts, the only critter I shot was a chipmunk chattering at me as I walked out of the woods. Chippy was continuing at the base of a large oak tree. I found a tail attached to the spinal cavalcade (no ribs) and the skinless skull. Plenty gun with 255 grain gas checked lead bullet. Three prairie dogs that appeared some what field dressed afterwards coming back down to earth. Too much gun. No crescent wrenches were used on any hunting trips. Sounds a bit like the footing squirrels I shot with my .30-06 130 grn HP loads cooking at over 3000 fps. If I was lucky I found flake of hair to prove a hitting. |
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| Not a lot to add, simply the .41 Mag was promoted as a middle ground gun mainly for cops who felt that the .357 was not enough and the .44 was as well much. Naught actually wrong with the .41 for any purpose, but like almost compromises, it didn't work out likewise well in the market. The .40 Southward&W killed the .41 Magazine for any LE use. Simply of class revolvers for LE use have been pretty much dead for quite awhile anyway. Lots of folks like old, odd, obsolete, and castoff caliber guns, and so at that place will e'er be a market for .41 Mags. But I personally wouldn't buy one unless it was a screaming giveaway bargain as I already take likewise many guns in strange calibers and certainly don't demand some other. |
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| Get-go if y'all like me love the magnums you have to own a 357mag, a 41mag and a 44mag. The 41mag, has more than penetration over the 44mag I been told here. I observe the 41mag very comfortable to shoot over the 44mag and i'm not sure why withal. Mayhap my 44mag reloads are besides stout. There is no killing difference between the 44mag and the 41mag dead is dead when its used for hunting. I own two in 41mag(new South&W) and four in 44mag. I reload for everything. The S&Westward M58 in 41mag is my new CCW gun. Using Jacketed Hollow Points in thick tough skin will slow down before it really penetrates. This is where a soft point bullet should be used. Last edited by BigBill; 12-17-2012 at 04:27 PM. |
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| Quote: Originally Posted by GM4spd I exercise not understand why there is a 41 Magnum My Speer manual #9 tells information technology this way. Constabulary wanted a little more than a .357 but picayune less than a .44 mag. The new guns were almost the size and weight to deport as a .44 and non quite every bit powerful, so information technology didn't grab on as a law weapon. If it had been adopted every bit a standard weapon it would accept fared better. Wikipedia has some more info that says loftier power enthusiasts also influenced information technology'south development and the finish effect didn't satisfy a lot of people. Also, in the 1960s nigh police force were withal carrying .38 specials. Information technology seems that information technology has information technology's best habitation with people on this board... as a hunting arm. |
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| If either properly at that place should not be a large deviation. |
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